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2019 -1-23 MEETING MINUTES MEETING SIGN-IN SHEET Project: Forest Planning Project Meeting Date: January 23, 2019 Facilitator: Leonard Wortman Place/Room: Clerk and Recorder's Office Name Phone E-Mail ( ,i- i,_, c--Ki, t (f. (CAJ-NJ- EP") , I 47, D —50 7.„2.. . ' Docil 1 CD;Telfr-kr' 4--C.,esar'5fix% czj.. Tr...cr-,--;)r 12-7 Cacrriti. ^-4Z r) f6ve_ - ,,/ 0 t_ : . J70 cei /@An,'I. co -}, 6a 011 (9 aen I u ZA'r\z4--, C•t,r q411)n , ce),4g: /,. 1066,w L46rS--—MI-I Cou.490)c),Ata'AcKV @P"`"\ 'CP1A e_c-t, _. kluerfl </i /4 /141 0 -(av/e1/7 Cs ) 1 1 c 1 1 1 JEFFERSON COUNTY PLANNING DEPT Courthouse POBoxH ` s: u„ Boulder,MT 59632 "I ur.w. :": (406)225-4040 FOREST PLANNING MEETING Jefferson County Clerk and Recorder's Office—Conference Room January 23, 2019 6:00 PM 1. MEETING PARTICIPANTS: Chris Carey, Reid A Noyes, Cord Kountz, John Kountz, Tom Carey, Steve Carey, Bo Carey, Ed McCauley, Landry Carlson, Colton Noyes,Zane Kountz, Quentin McCauley, Leonard Wortman (County Commissioner, LaDana Hintz (County Planner), Melissa Morris (County GIS Coordinator), Doug Dodge (County Disaster &Emergency Service Coordinator) 2. CALL TO ORDER: Commissioner Wortman called the meeting to order at 6:00 PM. He welcomed everybody and went around the room for introductions. 3. DISCUSSION: Commissioner Wortman briefly recapped this group's last meeting, which was held on October 30th. He mentioned that the main issues brought up during that meeting were the difficulties getting around on allotments because of dead and dying trees falling everywhere. He said that he had talked with Dave Sabo from the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest regarding the potential to do projects, and that Dave thought we should think outside the box when coming up with idea. At the last meeting many of the participants thought that clearing off fence lines and roads and trails, so people could get around and cows could be kept in, would be beneficial. Allotment holders added information to maps showing potential locations where projects could be useful. Melissa Morris, the County's GIS Coordinator has combined everyone's ideas onto one map. Copies of the map were passed around for review. Commissioner Wortman wants to have some project ideas to introduce at the next Beaverhead-Deerlodge Working Group (B-D Working Group)meeting, which would be held on February 6th (meetings typically occur the first Wednesday of every month). He wanted to have potential projects that he could talk about with the B-D Working Group. Commissioner Wortman invited members of this group to attend the next B-D Working Group Meeting to support the potential projects. Ed McCauley asked if the projects are going to be broader than just fences and trails. Commissioner Wortman was interested in projects that could fit under the categorical exclusion(CE), so they would need to be less than 3000 acres in size. To have bigger projects, the Good Neighbor Authority (GNA) might need to be used. Completing larger 1 projects using the GNA, would likely require that we partner with the State on projects since Jefferson County does not have the resources to complete those types of projects on our own. Ed M. asked if the Lowlands project was completed, or if that project could be expanded. Commissioner Wortman was not sure of the status of that project or the potential for expansion, so it would need to be looked into further if the group wanted that as a potential project. Reid Noyes wondered why the Forest Service could not open an area to free firewood cutting for a year to help clear an area and then close it down after the year is up. He thought that the Forest Service could keep moving the cutting areas around. Commissioner Wortman said that they could try that as a project and it seems like an "outside the box concept", which fits the scenario Dave Sabo kept referring to. John Kountz asked if Commissioner Wortman had looked into the Master Stewardship Agreement. Commissioner Wortman had not looked into that yet, but could. Doug Dodge, County Disaster& Emergency Services Coordinator, said that Jefferson County is a member of the Tri-County FireSafe Working Group, which also includes Lewis & Clark and Broadwater counties. He would like to see the Tri-County more involved with some projects in the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest since most of the projects they have done have occurred around Helena and in the Helena National Forest. Doug said that Tri-County is more focused on Wildland Urban Interface (WUI) mitigation, so if there were residences and structures present then that would be a potential area for a project were Tri-County might get involved. Doug would like to try to tie the efforts of various groups together. Doug will try to attend the next B-D Working Group meeting. Commissioner Wortman encouraged everyone that is available to attend the B-D Working Group's Feb. 6th meeting. It is at the Archives in Butte; the meeting starts at 1:00 p.m. He thought it would be good to have new folks with issues show up, so they do not keep hearing from him and John Kountz all the time. Commissioner Wortman pointed out that a few years ago there was a study that recognized the Boulder River watershed as a critical area. An Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) was completed for that area, and then the project was tabled when Forest Service staff changed. The Forest Service's focus shifted to wanting to do smaller projects. Commissioner Wortman said that stance might be shifting back again to wanting to do larger projects. Reid N. mentioned that 20 years ago he was on a crew that was going to do work in some of these areas, so he wondered what was going to be different this time. Ed McCauley asked about doing a large aspen project since the Forest Service always says smaller aspen projects never do enough. John K. said they did logging in the Lowlands and they could have done additional work, such as open up parks, as a part of 2 that project, but they did not do it. He thought that approach did not make sense since they already had the equipment there. The group asked if it would be possible to overlay the allotments over a topographic map. Melissa said that was possible. The group reiterated that the trees on fences were an issue, but they also have to cut out trails and roads to be able to get around and move the cattle where they need to go. Chris Carey said there are issues up Indian Creek and Rock Creek where nothing can get through. Tom Carey thought that the sportsman should want something done since downed timber is changing how wildlife moves. For instance, they are moving down the roads instead of going through the trees now. Reid Noyes said that up Kitt Carson,the elk are using the fence line area for a trail since it is one of the few areas where they can move along since the trees along the fence have been cut out. Quentin McCauley asked if other areas could be added for consideration of projects, such as the Galena Gulch area. Commissioner Wortman said additional areas could be added. He thought they could add anything in Jefferson County that lies within the Beaverhead— Deerlodge National Forest. Melissa could get McCauleys a map of the Galena Gulch area, so other potential project locations could be added. Commissioner Wortman said that the area between Basin and Elk Park stand out to him for needing work. He said there are tons of places all over Jefferson County where projects could be done. He would like to have this group continue to meet periodically to discuss potential project ideas. Reid N. asked Commissioner Wortman if there were any options other than logging or burning. Commissioner Wortman thought those were mainly the two options. John Kountz said he had a guy logging in Elk Park again to knock down dead trees. They are getting a little value out of it. If they do not log them then they will end up burning if there is a fire. Commissioner Wortman said that the trees do not necessarily have to be dead. He though that there could be green stuff logged. John K. mentioned that there was a commissioner in another county in favor of logging green trees instead of all salvage. Quentin M. said that there are areas where the Forest Service previously logged and left buffer zones. Those areas are issues now because the buffer zones are dead and are falling over the fences. He said there were old logging roads that could be used to access those areas to clean them up. Reid N. said Haystack is another area that could use work and that area is also a recreation area. 3 Melissa asked if the dispersed camping in the Whitehouse area was affecting the grazing. The allotment holders said that campers are moving out into other areas to camp. Ed McCauley was going to finish up their map and get it to Melissa to add to the master map. Commissioner Wortman said that the master map would show where work needs to occur. He did not think that it needed to be precise at this point. John K. pointed out that once logging is done, part of the money should go towards replacing some of the fences since many of them are destroyed, need work, or are just old. Commissioner Wortman said the group could push for part of the funds from the timber sales to go toward assistance with the fences. Commissioner Wortman said that the master map would just gives a general idea of where projects need to happen. Commissioner Wortman invited everyone who is available on February 6th at 1:00 p.m. to attend the B-D Working Group meeting in Butte. The meeting adjourned at 7:00 PM. 4